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kevin mcaleenan only held that post since april. here's what a source is telling cnn, that mcaleenan feels that he's accomplished all that he could given today's political climate and that it is unlikely legislation dealing with immigration will happen in the coming election year. we're going to have much more on what his resignation means. that in just a few moments. it's a very busy night. also tonight, is rudy giuliani still president trump's lawyer? the president was asked a direct question on the white house lawn, and he wouldn't say yes. >> is rudy giuliani still your personal attorney? >> well, i don't know. i haven't spoken to him. he spoke to him briefly yesterday. he has been my attorney. >> the president saying i don't know, and everybody scratching their heads. so is rudy giuliani still his lawyer or not? tonight a source is telling cnn that, yes, giuliani is still president trump's lawyer but won't be handling matters
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involving ukraine. and it's not hard to see why. giuliani getting too hot to touch with the arrest and indictments this week of his two associates who were helping him try to dig up dirt on joe biden in ukraine. but now they are charged with violating campaign finance laws, accused of funneling foreign money into u.s. elections. and to make matters worse for giuliani, the two men were arrested while trying to board a flight to europe with one-way tickets. and giuliani himself is a subject of that federal investigation. just moments ago, "the new york times" reporting he is being investigated for breaking lobbying laws in his dealings with ukraine. the president immediately putting distance between himself and rudy following those arrests. >> i don't know those gentlemen. i don't know. maybe they were clients of rudy. you'd have to ask rudy. i just don't know. i haven't spoken to rudy about it. i don't know. i will say this. from what i heard -- i just heard about this -- they said,
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we have nothing to do with it. they're totally -- we have nothing to do with it. >> like i said, rudy's getting too hot to touch. >> are you concerned that rudy giuliani will be indicted in all of this? >> well, i hope not. >> getting too hot to touch. one source telling us that rudy is still trump's lawyer, but we have to wonder how long that will last. for how long? for the second time in his presidency, a personal attorney for donald trump is under investigation. the first, of course, was michael cohen, trump's longtime attorney and fixer, who is now in federal prison. when cohen flipped on trump, the president couldn't get far enough away. here's how he downplayed cohen's role in 2018 to "fox & friends." >> but isn't his business your attorney, mr. president? >> i many, many -- just so you understand, i have many attorneys. sadly, i have so many attorneys you wouldn't even believe it. >> how much -- >> michael is somebody -- >> mr. president, how much of
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your legal work was handled by michael cohen? >> well, as a percentage of my overall legal work, a tiny, tiny little fraction. but michael would represent me and represent me on some things. he represents me like with this crazy stormy daniels deal. he represented me. and, you know, from what i see, he did absolutely nothing wrong. >> well, we'll see how much longer giuliani stays on as trump's attorney. this is just one element, one element in a bad day, in a bad week. a very bad day and a very bad week for president trump as the impeachment inquiry picks up steam. center stage on capitol hill today, marie yovanovitch, the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, who was removed from that post earlier this year by trump, testifying behind closed doors. "the new york times" got a copy of her statement to congress. in her statement, she told investigators this. i do not know mr. giuliani's motives for attacking me. but individuals who had been named in the press as contacts
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of mr. giuliani may well have believed that their personal financial ambitions were stymied by our anti-corruption policy in ukraine. she wasn't playing along with the scheme to dig up dirt on joe biden, and that angered giuliani, who lobbied the president to dump her. the white house and state department tried to block yovanovitch's appearance, but she was subpoenaed, and she came anyway. imagine that. it sounds like she had a lot to say. >> i just sat through eight hours that went like a new york second. it was that amazing, that powerful, that impactful. >> that was congressman denny heck. he will be here a bit later in this show. president trump had this to say about yovanovitch today. >> she may be a wonderful woman. i don't know her. but she may be very much a wonderful woman. if you remember the phone call i had with the president, the new president, he didn't speak favorably. but i just don't know her.
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she may be a wonderful woman. >> a wonderful woman? trump trashed her in that controversial july phone call, saying that the former ambassador from the united states, the woman was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the ukraine were bad news, so i just want to let you know that. and he didn't stop there. >> i heard very bad things about her, and i don't know if i recalled her or somebody recalled her, but i heard very, very bad things about her for a long period of time. not good. >> from not good to she may be a wonderful woman. and we have to wonder on this very bad day in a very bad week for trump if he's finally realizing that the impeachment inquiry into his dealings with ukraine is picking up steam and he can't stop it. the white house is trying to delay and slow it down and publicly push their talking points that there was nothing amiss about the july phone call.
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president trump again today called it a perfect call, and secretary of state mike pompeo, who earlier this week flat-out said that he is taking all of his direction from the white house, saying this. >> i think the only ones who thinks zelensky was pressured are a hand. of folks in the media and folks on capitol hill who are trying to take down this president. >> no pressure. perfect call. an ambassador sacked, who has now had the chance to speak directly to congress. a bad day in a bad week for president trump. he lost on three big legal fronts today as well. an appeals court rejecting trump's attempt to stop his accounting firm from turning over eight years of financial records to house democrats. a district judge ruling that trump's national emergency declaration to build a border wall is unlawful. and federal judges in three
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separate districts blocking efforts by the trump administration to make it more difficult for immigrants who rely on public assistance to obtain legal status. one judge calling it, quote, repugnant to the american dream. a bad day in a bad week for the white house. and of course there's breaking news as it is on most nights. news tonight that another key trump administration official heading for the exit, kevin mcaleenan, the acting secretary of homeland security submitted his resignation to the white house. he is the fourth person to serve in that position for president trump. here with more tonight is cnn's kaitlan collins. kaitlan, good evening to you. what's behind the latest high-profile departure? >> reporter: well, don, i got to say it's not that surprising to people in the white house who never thought kevin mcaleenan was going to get the personal innocent job. but of course this resignation is coming after he's been in that acting position for several dozen -- hundreds of days now, in this position, never really
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had a replacement on the horizon so far in the west wing. so it will be interesting to see who it is the president picks next. but when it came down to mcaleenan, though at times the president praised him, he was never really someone who gained president trump's trust. the president often lashed out at him blaming him for border numbers and of course in turn, kevin mcaleenan didn't like the hard-liners that the president hired to work not only in the department of homeland security, but also he was dealing with people inside the west wing like stephen miller who were really trying to run dhs policy out of the west wing, not out of the department of homeland security. an indication his mood had changed had been after that "washington post" interview about ten days ago where he said he just didn't have control over the policy coming out of the dhs, the tone coming out of dhs. we're told by one person familiar, don, kevin mcaleenan didn't realize he was on the record during that interview, an interview that stunned a lot of people for just how blunt the dhs secretary was in it. >> you mentioned "the washington post" reporting, kaitlan.
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"the new york times" is reporting tonight that federal prosecutors are investigating whether rudy giuliani broke lobbying laws in his dealings in ukraine. is the president at all worried about everything giuliani has been doing on his behalf? >> reporter: yeah, he is. and you've seen the president express that not only publicly but we're also told by sources the president privately has been questioning rudy giuliani and his connection to these two men who were arrested recently this week. the news broke yesterday. and the president in turn has been distancing himself from the lawyer who has essentially been on television defending him for the last two years through it all. instead the president is now questioning whether or not rudy giuliani is going to be a liability for him, something that people have been telling the president for weeks now, before all of this happened about his client's be areleased, telling the president he didn't seem the right person to represent him in this impeachment fight.
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t the president wouldn't even go as far to say the president is still his personal attorney even though giuliani made clear to one of my colleagues that, yes, he still thinks he is. the fact that he won't be representing the president on ukraine really tells you all you need to know because it makes clear he's not going to be playing a significant role in this impeachment defense strategy coming out of the white house. >> going to be a liability? maybe a little late for that, kaitlan. thank you very much. i appreciate it. will the president's bad week keep getting worse with his personal lawyer under investigation and four more key people to testify next week? john dean, mia love, max boot all weigh in next. what does it take, to call yourself an explorer? traveling to the darkest depths of the ocean. pushing beyond the known horizon. passing through... "hey mom," "can we get fro-yo?", >>"yeah, fro-yo." "yes." the all-new 2020 ford explorer st.
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the loss of a now fourth homeland security chief just underscores what looks to be an administration in constant turmoil even as we see the first cracks in their impeachment strategy. lots to talk about. john dean, mia love, max boot.
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good evening to one and all. max, before we get to kevin mcaleenan, i was thinking about the stories we've had tonight and this week. has there been this much scandal -- i can't remember this much scandal in an entire eight-year administration in presidencies in recent history. am i wrong? >> i think you're dead right, don. this is just stunning. i mean this is not an administration. this is a criminal conspiracy, and it's a particularly inept criminal conspiracy. this is like what would happen if the three stooges were breaking bad. they cannot conceal their crimes, and they just come tumbling out all the time. i mean if there's any strategy here -- and it's really hard for me to see knany. but if there is one, trump's strategy seems to be to commit so much impeachable conduct, the house cannot keep up. this week alone, more scandals than any administration i can think of in four to eight years. >> so then what is the -- is there any -- i don't know.
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is there any incentive for anyone to stay there in this administration? >> i don't think so. i mean i think people who stay in this administration are being implicated in what is going on. they are becoming accomplices unless they speak out and, you know, it's just horrifying and unbelievable what's happened to the executive branch. i mean it's been taken over by a mob mentality run by people who are utterly corrupt and crooked and have no regard for the public interest. and i think responsible public servants like former ambassador marie yovanovitch are now speaking out to devastating effect about what's going on. >> i'm glad you mentioned it because, john, i want to ask you about ambassador yovanovitch -- i've been saying her name correctly all week, and now i can't say it -- yovanovitch testified. ambassador sondland said that through his lawyer, he's going to testify wednesday despite guidance not to. it's very interesting he's going to do that. there are four key figures set to testify next week. why do you think these officials
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want to speak out? >> well, it may be they actually believe they have something that is favorable. there is, of course, that one text message that sondland sent that said "no quid pro quo" after talking to the president. now, that's taking it out of context of course in the full range of exchanges which really occurred. and i think sondland, which is something of a washington rookie, may think he can go in and just handle that committee, and it's going to be a lot tougher than he thinks it's going to be. he's going to be sharply cross-examined while the republicans will probably try to focus on that, it's going to be much broader than that. >> interesting. mia, i want to bring you in there and talk about some of the stuff because yovanovitch testified that her removal from ukraine was part of a concerted campaign that included pressure from the president, and she was told that she did nothing wrong. but it's not an impeachable offense to simply remove an ambassador. i mean what needs to be proven
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here? >> well, first of all, she's obviously -- she couldn't understand what was happening. i mean at first she was told that her bosses said she didn't nothing wrong, and then she was told that the president has lost confidence in her. so it's all completely confusing, and of course you get all of this information about the associates of rudy giuliani going out there, trying to oust her, trying to get other members of congress to help in that quest. so the whole thing is just quite confusing, and it's something that i don't think really bodes well. it doesn't look good. it's not impeachable but -- >> the president wants to distance himself from rudy giuliani, who has been one of his most vocal supporters, who is even the main guy to go out and do sunday shows after the "access hollywood" tape came out. mia, do you think people buy
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trump trying to put him at arm's length, not even willing to say he's his attorney now? >> okay. so there are a lot of people that may get upset with me for saying this, but i'm going to say it because i think it's true. you have to understand that with the relationships with the president, i believe that they are transactional. i believe that if you are going to be bad for the president, he is going to get rid of you. i think rudy giuliani has been actually bad for the president in this instance. he has done the administration no favors. whether the president knew what he was doing or not, there were -- he was sticking his nose in areas where he shouldn't have been. so i think that he needs to -- i mean at the very least, has to stay away from rudy giuliani. >> well, john, what is the bigger peril when it comes to rudy giuliani, the sdny investigation or the impeachment inquiry? >> well, they could be related. i don't think mia has anything to be worried about in laying out the reality of that relationship. and the president is going to
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face that. he's clearly trying to distance himself from rudy. no one knows the extent of rudy's liability. he claims in "the new york times" piece that he's done nothing wrong. of course that's what he'd say. but this foreign agent's registration act that is being apparently central to his investigation is something that has gotten new vigor. it's something a lot of people have been investigated for. it's something the department of justice is enforcing. it's a law that rudy's not really familiar with because it wasn't invoked for many, many years until the russians started abusing, brouling around the united states. he's got some problems, don. >> should the democrats have held these hearings in public? do you think it's smart to do it so that it doesn't turn into a circus? >> i think it would be great if they could hold them in the public, get the information out there somehow. just the pattern of corruption is stunning. it's not just rudy giuliani. the president's previous personal lawyer is already in
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jail. the president is severely implicated in this massive, massive corruption, don. >> john, mia, max, thank you very much. i appreciate your time. shepard smith announcing today that he is leaving fox news, surprising not just the audience but his own colleagues. what's behind his abrupt departure, next. [sfx: turntable - needle scratching record] [music (plays throughout): lack of afro - recipe for love] ♪ whoaahoooo oo ♪ ♪ yeahhh aa aa aye
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it may be hard to believe that there wasable anchor on fox news that the president despised. why? because he cares about facts and tells the truth. today that man, shepard smith, stepped down as chief news anchor at the network he called
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home for 23 years. >> so recently i asked the company to allow me to leave fox news. after requesting that i stay, they obliged. under our agreement, i won't be reporting elsewhere, at least in the near future. this is lie last newscast here. >> whoa. i'm neil cavuto, and like you, i'm a little stunned and a little heartbroken. i don't know what to say. john, i apologize at being a little shell-shocked on this other development here, but take it away, sir. >> i've just been trying to compile my thoughts too, neil. i walked out here to do the hit and suddenly got hit by a subway train. holy mackerel. >> there was a long pause with neil cavuto there before he even could go -- his colleagues were clearly blindsided. let's bring in brian stelter and ana navarro. good evening to one and all.
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when this happened, i was on a plane and literally i was trying to sleep, and my text messages -- i couldn't get to them fast enough. people saying, oh, my god, shep, shep, shep. i was like what? it's unbelievable. your tweet, ana, you said shepard smith is leaving fox news. i am feeling the same celebratory joy as when a handmaid is able to escape gill wrad and live in freedom. you're talking about the handmaid's tale. i've never seen the show. >> it's a good one. by the way, you don't have to watch the show because you're living it. go ahead. >> does this really bring you joy? >> yes. it brings me joy. so i'm a little torn on it. i'm torn on it as far as what it means for balance to fox and what it means for journalism. >> that viewers will never -- >> it is so important to have shep smith's voice at fox news. i'm happy for shep smith. he's also a human being. he is a very decent human being, and i want him to be happy. so, yeah, i did feel like, oh, my god, he's finally free not to
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be constrained by a network where there is such editorial control and where he is, you know, such the man out where the president is constantly tweeting against him. he's finally free to speak the truth without any reservation, and i want him to be happy. >> yeah. speaking of that, the president -- president trump assumes that he left because of bad ratings. i mean, look, the man has been there for 23 years. he's a fixture. he is the chief anchor over there. listen to this. >> did you or your administration pressure fox news to get rid of shepard smith? >> i don't know. is he leaving? >> he's leaving. >> oh, that's a shame. >> -- >> that i don't know. wait. did i hear shepard smith is leaving? is he leaving because of bad ratings? tell me. i don't know. he had terrible ratings. is he leaving because of his ratings? i mean if he's leaving, i assume he's leaving because he had bad
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ratings. he had the worst ratings on fox, so there's a reason. why is shepard smith leaving? well, i wish him well. i wish -- i wish shepard smith well. >> brian, you have been doing a lot of reporting on this. what's the real reason? there was a report last week that there were tensions between shepard smith and tucker carlson and the network reportedly siding with tucker. but then they -- they're saying no. they're pushing back on that. >> yeah, this was not about low ratings but it was about the tensions with tucker carlson and other figures at fox. shepard smith simply couldn't take it anymore. he felt squeezed by these opinion hosts who were spewing propaganda at other hours of the day. he viewed his show as a counterweight trying to get the facts out there. it just became too much over time. this is a real loss for fox, fox staffers, the journalists there who are bleing up my phone because they're devastated by this. they're troubled by the loss of
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one of the true news anchors at the networkment i think it's a sign of our disturbing times. it's not like shepard smith changed. the network changed and the country around him changed. we've been fractured into different pieces and there's not as much room for someone like him who is a truth teller. >> sometimes you do things in life that are not about money, that are not about what's best for your career, but it's about what's best for your heart and for your soul. it's about integrity. it's about principles. and i admire that. he's walking away from a very hefty salary if reports are true, and i think he's doing it for all the right reasons. you know, he's standing up for what he believes and he's saying, you know what? self-care matters and, you know, being consistent, be in a place that is consistent with my principles and what i believe matters. damn, you just have to admire that. in 2019, i mean think about it. >> he was worth every bit of what they were paying him. what's next for him?
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i just have 20 seconds here. >> he has a non-compete. he's not going to be on tv anytime soon, but his spokesman says he's not retiring. that tells me he does want to be back in the public eye someday. i think for now it's sad to see how the echo chambers we're all living in have become a little more closed up today because he won't be on fox. >> look, nbc paid megyn kelly and she's a failure. give him a chance. he's true and authentic. >> a great guy. the consummate professional. an amazing journalist. shep, we wish you the very best. and i'm going to say congratulations to you. enjoy your life with you, your partner, your dog, and just enjoy it. we're really proud of you. the former ambassador to ukraine giving devestating testimony behind closed doors today, and i'm going to get the details from someone who questioned her. congressman denny heck is next.
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former u.s. ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch, who was removed from her post by trump in may giving nearly ten hours of closed door testimony to house investigators. the career foreign service officer who worked under both democratic and republican administrations appeared in defiance of white house and state department direction not to appear. in her opening statement, yovanovitch warned the state department was being attacked and hollowed out from within and urged congress to take action to stop it. let's discuss now. congressman denny heck is here, who serves on the house intel committee and heard her testimony. congressman, thank you. i got to ask you, yovanovitch said that rudy giuliani played a significant role in her firing. why does she think he wanted her out? >> so, don, this was a deposition, and as such we're not going to comment or reveal the specifics of anything that the witness testified to -- >> understood. anything you can tell us,
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though, we'd appreciate it. >> i would tell you that i'm frankly wondering, without trying to be too snarky, is michael cohen is keeping a bunch warm for rudy giuliani. look, the two men that were indicted, that were associates of rudy giuliani, engaged in behavior that they're now being charged with. it is conspiracy to engage in illegal activity is itself subject to criminal liability, and you have to wonder, given their close relationship -- we don't know that yet. we do know they had purchased one-way tickets to geneva, i think it was. and on the day that they departed, they had lunch with rudy giuliani, with whom they had been associated over a period of time. >> yeah. >> so you just have to wonder where this is going for the former mayor of new york. >> i've got to ask you, then. did you learn anything new -- i think you can answer this -- anything new that advances the impeachment investigation? >> well, yes, of course. but, you know, the most thing --
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and i think the significant takeaway for the conversation, the ten-hour conversation we had today -- is that ambassador yovanovitch is a woman who literally oozes integrity. all one has to do is raead the hoping statement that she submitted to us and is now available through open sources and can be found online. this is a woman who has dedicated 33 years of her life to the foreign service, always with progressive responsibility because of the high regard in which she was held. this is a person who is a true patriot, who loves her country, who loves the role that diplomacy can play in helping keep america prosperous and secure. >> yeah. next week you're expecting to hear from fiona hill, george kent, ambassador gordon sonde lawn, and ul rick brechbuhl. will all of those depositions be behind closed doors? >> i think the rules we're operating now for depositions is that they are in closed, albeit
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unclassified sessions. i'm not sure all the people to whom you referred, don, will actually be deposed, per se, but they have had documents subpoenaed from them. and whether or not they turn them over remains to be seen. i'm fairly optimistic that fiona hill will come forward. as a former staff 34eb to the 2345sh8 security council, and i'm personally looking forward to that conversation very much because of her particular expertise with respect to russia and the middle east. >> i'd like you to weigh in on the comment from the president. watch this. >> now, with that being said, we are sending troops and other things to the middle east to help saudi arabia. but are you ready? saudi arabia, at my request, has agreed to pay us for everything we're doing. that's a first. but saudi arabia and other countries too now -- but saudi arabia has agreed to pay us for
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everything we're doing to help them, and we appreciate that. >> a foreign nation is paying for american troops to protect their interests. does that sound right to you? >> it sounds to me like the president for the first time in our nation's history is attempting to convert our armed forces into mercenaries and then bragging about it. don, i thought his announcement about sending the nearly 3,000 troops to saudi arabia was chock-full of ironies. irony number one, this is being done to presumably deter increased bad behavior on the part of iran. iran has been engaged in increased bad behavior, but they have been so, irony number one, as a consequence of america pulling out of the iran agreement against the advice of all the other parties to that agreement, against all western civilized nations as a matter of fact. irony number two, this announcement comes almost a year to the day after the murder of the american-based journalist khashoggi, for which every
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indication is that the crown prince of saudi arabia ordered his murder, his slaughter, his vicious slaughter. the fact is that that's sl absolutely contrary to basic american values. irony number three, it comes about a week -- less than a week after the president decided to unlock the door and open the door to allow turkey to invade northern syria as we turn our back on our oldest ally in the region, the kurds, in our fight against isis. now, the kurds can't afford maybe to cough up massive amounts of money for military action. but you know what they provided instead? an estimate of about 10,000 of their lives in their shoulder-to-shoulder fight with us against isis. >> you can't put a price on that. thank you, congressman. i appreciate your time. we'll see you soon. >> thank you. well, she's back. my friend laura coates is here now. she's hosting a special hour tonight, the white house in crisis: the impeachment inquiry, coming up right after this show at 11:00. you got your work cut out for
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you. it's a crazy week. there have been so many developments in just even the last few hours, laura. >> i mean you think? don, we're going to drill down rudy giuliani. he's the president's personal attorney, or is he, now under investigation in connection with these two guys. you've got lev parnas and igor fruman, associates who were arrested on campaign finance charges just a few hours after having lunch with rudy giuliani. and he's also been implicated now in the scheme to get the u.s. ambassador to ukraine fired. and we've all seen those wild-eyed interviews citing all the conspiracy theories. well, tonight we're going to talk to andrew kurtzman, who was a reporter who covered giuliani at city hall for a decade, including that morning of 9/11 when giuliani became that international symbol for asking the questi . we're asking the question, what happened to that rudy, america's mayor, the guy who took on the mobs. we'll get the inside word.
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>> kurtzman, a longtime new york city reporter, and you're right, covered giuliani for a long time. we will all be watching. we'll see you in a couple minutes, laura. why is the president distancing himself from one of his biggest defenders? we're going to dig into what's going on between president trump and rudy giuliani. that's next. a wealth of perspective. ♪ a wealth of opportunities. that's the clarity you get from fidelity wealth management. straightforward advice, tailored recommendations, tax-efficient investing strategies, and a dedicated advisor to help you grow and protect your wealth. fidelity wealth management. it's not small. but it's not just big either. it's the kind of big where you'll never have to ask, "should i scooch up?" it's big that looks at a sunroof and wonders why it can't just be most of the roof.
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the president's personal attorney, rudy giuliani, could be in serious trouble. "the new york times" reporting tonight that federal prosecutors in the southern district of new york, the office giuliani ran himself decades ago, are looking into whether he broke lobbying rules in his dealings in ukraine. the president is already distancing himself from the man who has been at the center of this ukraine scandal from the
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start. today not even confirming if giuliani is still his lawyer. so here to give us some legal perspective, michael isikoff is the co-author of "russian roulette, the unside story of putin's war on america and the election of donald trump. elie honig here as well. elie, i want to start with you. we have seen this pattern before. trump won't say if giuliani is still his personal attorney and whether he'll be indicted, but trump had this to say. watch this. >> are you concerned that rudy giuliani could be indicted in all of this? >> well, i hope not. again, i don't know how he knows these people. >> they're his clients. >> what? >> they're his clients. >> okay. well, then they're clients. i mean he's got a lot of clients. so i just don't know. i haven't spoken to rudy about it. >> now, here's what he said about michael cohen last year. >> how much -- >> michael is somebody -- >> mr. president, how much of your legal work was handled by michael cohen? >> well, as a percentage of my overall legal work, a tiny, tiny little fraction. but michael would represent me
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and represent me on some things. >> is rudy getting tossed under air force one, under the bus? >> thrown under air force one. i like that. let the distancing begin. we've seen this dance before from donald trump with michael cohen, and this is a serious situation. it's surreal for me to see rudy giuliani who was in the charge of the office decade before i was there but a respected figure under investigation by the southern district. and he ought to know you do not poke the southern district. and you'll get in trouble if you do. an investigation by the southern trikt is all encompassing. he's in trouble. >> can the president ever separate himself from everything rudy did in ukraine on his behalf? >> it's clear that rudy was acting in president's interest all along and this entire ukraine mess stems from rudy
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giuliani meddling in this. there's so many interesting questions that dwoent know. the two guys his clients who were arrested and indicted yesterday. how much -- how much of rudy's travels and work on this were they paying for? and if so, was this a way for these guys who just been charged with illegal campaign contributions basically footing the bill for the president's legal expenses. i think that to me is a central issue that the southern district is likely to be looking at. >> interesting. listen, the fbi and prosecutors in manhattan are investigating his involvement with the campaign finance violations and giuliani is trying to distract. and he's drawing you into it, right? >> yes, he has.
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he tweeted yesterday after these charges were filed that the real story is that the ukrainians had interfere nd the 2016 election not the russians. and to back that up, he posted a an e-mail, tweeted an e-mail that was leaked that the russians gave to wikileaks and put out in which a democratic national committee staffer says she was working with michael isikoff and connecting him to the ukrainians. this woman was somebody i was talking to because she had information about pall manafort and she connected me to ukrainian journalists. i was interested in talking to them. there was a reception in washington. i went and talked to them about the work they had done. the idea this somehow equates
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with the russians hacking the dnc. stealing thousands of documents and giving them to wikileaks part of an operation to disrupt the election is ludicrous. >> what's your final thought? >> i want to represent michael. when he gets in trouble. all you need to know is ukraine and giuliani the company that paid him used to be called fraud guarantee. rethink that branding.
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that particular neighborhood happens to be represented in the house by a somalia immigrant. omar. you see where i'm going. one of the four congresswoman of color he loves to bash. and bash he did, yet again, last night. >> how do you have such a person representing you in minnesota? i'm very angry at you people. she is a disgrace to our country. >> if all this sounds like the same old trump play book. analysis reported by shows a trend in the president's twitter rants this past summer. with his focus on non-white lawmakers. he attacked the congresswoman of color 20 times as a group over three months. more than his campaign rivals sanders and warren. in his entire presidency. he went after omar 30 times. the president singled out
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congressman and oversight chairman cummings this summer. you remember he slammed his mostly black district. part of baltimore. as rat infested. he attacks others including adam schiff, nancy pelosi. chuck schumer. who are the leaders of the party. the only lawmakers who got more negative tweets this summer than the congresswomen of color and cummings. take this into account. our live coverage continues with laura coates "white house in crisis: the impeachment inquiry." you got your work cut out for you. tell us what you have tonight. >> first of all i can't believe that happened in my home state of minnesota. having boos for people who are immigrants to the particular state and the country. that actually is shocking to me. it reiterates the point time and time again. people don't realize if it's washington d.c. you can be


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